yes! guided! she controls her life in specific ways; she wasn't the "lost girl" looking for meaning-- she creates her own idea of what it means to travel with the doctor (in 'bells' she sets boundaries very clearly). like you said, she has been practicing this for a long time-- since childhood. she's ambitious & likes to push her limits, but whether or not she is able to maintain that control is the question. i think it will become clear and/or fall apart as the series comes to a close!

Agreed. If I could have my wish, going from what we know by this point, I’d basically like her to fuck up majorly. Do something that’s genuinely terrible, because she thinks it’s necessary (essentially betraying the spirit of what a New Who companion is). And then don’t just stop but give her a redemption arc.But we’ll see, maybe they come up with something better.

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samesonic-differentdoctor:

tillthenexttimedoctor:

Clara is certainly not insecure, personally, and she doesn’t need a lot of support from that angle, beyond anything that can be considered absolutely normal. (Like, “I resent you for almost making me kill an innocent alien, even though you knew better” is a very sensible complaint.) If anything, it’s been the Doctor running after her and begging for attention this series. How often has he literally said the words “I need you”, to get her to help him.

Clara seeks a certain kind of validation, that’s true.

"I was doing okay. I mean, I went in there and I did the scary stuff, didn’t I? I went in there with the Ice Warrior and it went okay. Actually, it went just about as badly as it could have done but that wasn’t my fault."

She has a certain image of heroism in her mind, which she tries to follow. She tries to appear brave, compassionate, clever, capable. And she wants her life under her control, even if it means lying to people (whether it’s to Danny or herself). She’s in love with adventure, desperate for the thrill of this life with the Doctor. She wants these things, even needs them, but that doesn’t truly mean that she is “needy”, in the dictionary definition of the word. Or at least she doesn’t show it, if anything, she’s been rather intent on helping people, on being needed, not the other way round.

The idea that the Twelfth Doctor would be better without her just seems misguided. The entirety of this series has thrived off their dynamic, about paralleling and contrasting those two characters. And it’s been, at least in my personal opinion, one of the best we’ve had.

I agree, the hate surrounding Clara is rather infuriating, even if at times entertainingly contradictive. (As on a whole, this fandom seems incapable of deciding whether Clara is useless and pushed aside, or whether she’s been getting way too much influence and power on the show…)

I agree 100%. I took the definition of needy with a tiny grain of salt to give others the benefit of the doubt, but I do feel like Clara is probably the farthest away from needy as you could get. I see where people could read into her being needy, I however see it as her being human. And as human we do have a certain amount of neediness to us, we seek validation and comfort from others almost every day. I agree her “neediness” is completely normal and is not on the level of someone who constantly needs to be around others for emotional support.

Twelve is definitely needier, true and the fact that Clara chooses to continue to travel with him does show that she is intent on helping those who do actually need help.

I mean, really, the way the term is used in fandoms usually just means “female character I don’t like, who actually shows human emotions every now and then”. It’s essentially meaningless. And among the least effective criticisms against a chracter.

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Clara Oswald or Amy Pond

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marriagehoney replied to your post: anonymous said:I mean… I agree,…

I’m so glad that anon went to you, instead of me, even though I made the post, you’re so much better putting those things into words omg

I really wished they went to you, because I felt like I was just stumbling through this post, but thank you *hugs*.

rosewolfy:

Rose’d know. A friend of mine, R o s e.

samesonic-differentdoctor:

tillthenexttimedoctor replied to your post “I just read a comment saying Clara is needy ”

Well, technically, the twelfth doctor called her “an egomaniac, needy, game-player sort of person” (admittedly based on a very wrong assumption).

Ah, I forgot about that. What I gathered from the comment was that Twelve would only be a good Doctor if Clara wasn’t always there wanting his help which isn’t the way it is. Also the “egomaniac, needy, game-player” comment sort of worked both ways because Clara assumed he was talking about himself. But the person only implied that Clara was needy and that Twelve would be this ultimate Doctor if Clara was magicked away. Which isn’t true because Twelve is a really good Doctor and some of that goodness comes from his interactions with Clara. I would say that the Doctor fits that description more (to a certain extent) as he’s always the one landing in Clara’s apartment, wanting to take on adventures which implies a certain amount of neediness. 

I mean the rest of the comment was something about how Clara was “hurting the show”, so the line about her being “needy” sort of threw me off a bit because I don’t think she’s been all that needy lately. Confused about if she should travel with the Doctor, yes, but I wouldn’t really say that was seeking anyone’s attention. I think the whole argument at the end of Kill the Moon is what made everyone think that Clara was someone who was needy and I can sort of see why people would read it that.

I wouldn’t say that isn’t needy though. I mean she does seek out emotional support from Danny, but who doesn’t right? Especially since Danny was the one who told her to tell him if the Doctor ever pushed her too far. I don’t think it was wrong of her to seek some sort of emotional comfort from her boyfriend. As for her going back to traveling with the Doctor, it is in a way needy as she’s still desperate for adventure and comparing it to an addiction doesn’t help. I would say she is boarding on needy, yes, but hurting the show and, by extension, the Doctor? No, in all honesty I find her relationship with Twelve to be slightly more endearing than her’s with Eleven.

I think this comment was the last straw because ever since the series started, I’ve only been hearing (technically seeing) things about Clara being “bland”, “too perfect” or “useless”. I just can’t sit and take all this Clara hate passively.  

Clara is certainly not insecure, personally, and she doesn’t need a lot of support from that angle, beyond anything that can be considered absolutely normal. (Like, “I resent you for almost making me kill an innocent alien, even though you knew better” is a very sensible complaint.) If anything, it’s been the Doctor running after her and begging for attention this series. How often has he literally said the words “I need you”, to get her to help him.

Clara seeks a certain kind of validation, that’s true.

"I was doing okay. I mean, I went in there and I did the scary stuff, didn’t I? I went in there with the Ice Warrior and it went okay. Actually, it went just about as badly as it could have done but that wasn’t my fault."

She has a certain image of heroism in her mind, which she tries to follow. She tries to appear brave, compassionate, clever, capable. And she wants her life under her control, even if it means lying to people (whether it’s to Danny or herself). She’s in love with adventure, desperate for the thrill of this life with the Doctor. She wants these things, even needs them, but that doesn’t truly mean that she is “needy”, in the dictionary definition of the word. Or at least she doesn’t show it, if anything, she’s been rather intent on helping people, on being needed, not the other way round.

The idea that the Twelfth Doctor would be better without her just seems misguided. The entirety of this series has thrived off their dynamic, about paralleling and contrasting those two characters. And it’s been, at least in my personal opinion, one of the best we’ve had.

I agree, the hate surrounding Clara is rather infuriating, even if at times entertainingly contradictive. (As on a whole, this fandom seems incapable of deciding whether Clara is useless and pushed aside, or whether she’s been getting way too much influence and power on the show…)

Doctor, what would you do now?

                                 No, what will I do now.

I mean... I agree, but 'I kissed the Doctor once'? she tried to have sex with him. in fact, by definition, she attempted to rape him, since he repeatedly said no and she kept going, slamming him against the tardis and kept undressing him.
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